Givingitanothergo Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 So whilst browsing social media today I got caught up in the Sam frost saga.. she posted a video ‘coming out’ as unvaxxed and complaining about the segregation she is facing. There’s many arguments both ways and often people quote freedom of speech. As I understand our constitution doesn’t imply it but it is often assumed. I guess I’m looking for education as to what it means in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aust-27 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Hate the term freedom of speech as it is American (firstly) and it also allows anyone to say anything. It is a cop out. Australia doesn't have it. It is the one thing that really gets my back up. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rosie28 Posted October 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 We don’t have freedom of speech in Australia. There is a limited right to freedom of political expression, and freedom of opinion and expression but anyone who relies on “freedom of speech” is confused. This article has a good summary https://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4529/do-we-have-the-right-to-freedom-of-speech-in-austr.aspx Segregation (a word used to imply this is similar to racial segregation) in relation to vaccination status involved different laws. A number are being tested at the moment but there is no right to, for example, go into a shop. You can’t discriminate on the basis of various protected classes, but so far vaccination isn’t one of them. 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jenflea Posted October 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 She can say what she wants, but we can also say what we think about that. Freedom of speech doesn't mean they are immune to consequences or repercussions. 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meepy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 There is an implied right to freedom of political communication, resulting from a few High Court cases. The Constitution does not have any sections protecting freedom of expression. The Human Rights Commission has the following information. https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/freedom-information-opinion-and-expression 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kreme Posted October 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 It’s kind of the opposite of freedom of speech when you think about it. She’s made a choice to not be vaccinated and she is complaining about other people expressing their view on that decision. All the love, light and empathy bullshit is just a way of saying I’ve done something completely self centred but you are the awful person if you criticise me for it. 34 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Givingitanothergo Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kreme said: It’s kind of the opposite of freedom of speech when you think about it. She’s made a choice to not be vaccinated and she is complaining about other people expressing their view on that decision. All the love, light and empathy bullshit is just a way of saying I’ve done something completely self centred but you are the awful person if you criticise me for it. Good point.. a lot of anyone opposing her is accused of bullying.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aust-27 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I posted a message on her page and was called "a nasty piece of work" from one of her followers. I said in the post (in a nutshell) fine by me but I don't want to around you. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadoodle Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 She’s free to make an idiot of herself, and everyone else is free to criticise her stupid, dangerous decision. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonMyrtle Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 A bit off topic, but I thought Sam Frost was the super nanny, and I was wondering why she was in our news (suprnanny is Jo Frost, by the way, and she is pro-vax) 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okelydokely Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 And she’s playing an icu nurse on H&A lol. Reminds me of homeopathic a&e from Mitchell and Webb… Homeopathic A and E 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrs Zee Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 I often think people who cry let me have my freedom of speech are also the ones trying to shut up anyone who disagrees with them. Apparently only those who agree are entitled to their misunderstood freedom of speech they believe they have. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie28 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Mrs Zee said: I often think people who cry let me have my freedom of speech are also the ones trying to shut up anyone who disagrees with them. Apparently only those who agree are entitled to their misunderstood freedom of speech they believe they have. Yep, exactly. People who are actually fighting to be heard don’t use it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nom_de_plume Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, Okelydokely said: And she’s playing an icu nurse on H&A lol. Reminds me of homeopathic a&e from Mitchell and Webb… Homeopathic A and E I love this. Also Penn and Teller on vaccinations ... 14 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley225 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Jenflea said: She can say what she wants, but we can also say what we think about that. Freedom of speech doesn't mean they are immune to consequences or repercussions. Oh yes as so many have said above mostly people arguing 'freedom of speech" actually mean shut up and don't criticise me. Not understanding people will support you saying most things but there as much support for others telling you, politely, that you are totally wrong. And arguments against someone's point of view is not bullying as long as they're arguing against the view not the person. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kreme Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 I wonder if her role on H&A is in jeopardy because she’s unvaccinated so she’s getting in the pre-emptive, woe is me strike. I had no idea she plays a nurse. I’d love to see the script writers give her some good lines about the importance of vaccination. 10 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwi Bicycle Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Kreme said: I wonder if her role on H&A is in jeopardy because she’s unvaccinated so she’s getting in the pre-emptive, woe is me strike. I had no idea she plays a nurse. I’d love to see the script writers give her some good lines about the importance of vaccination. Or they could kill her off after catching a virus that has a vaccine on the show... 13 3 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not So Retro Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, nom_de_plume said: I love this. Also Penn and Teller on vaccinations ... Love that. I was first introduced to P&T via their show Bullshit!, which ran from 2003 to 2010. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelSG Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Technically it is her choice but why speak out about it? Especially just to whinge about the natural consequences of her own choices and complain about being treated differently. Of course there is different treatment for unvaccinated people but there are medical reasons for that, it’s not just random prejudice. Surely she should’ve foreseen the backlash, given the general attitude around vaccination and specifically the COVID vax. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post purplekitty Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 I'm so so sick of the drama and narcissism that social media promotes. Meanwhile some people are sick,dying ,unable to work ,or at high risk because they are essential workers, because we have an actual fucking Pandemic. It really has put in sharp relief who is important and who is not and what is important and what is not. 16 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplekitty Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 ION Matt Agnew from the Bachelor has weighed in. It's his current photo I'm looking at. https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/bachelor-star-matt-agnew-responds-to-sam-frosts-vaccination-video/news-story/89898a50f0bde08e2d69f9f24ff7a234 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post purplekitty Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 12 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Person5 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Very clear, sensible and measured response from Matt. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelSG Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I have read multiple articles saying that there are very few, legitimate medical reasons for not getting any COVID vaccine. It seems to be only severe allergy to specific ingredients. However there are 3 different vaccines with varying ingredients so the chances of being allergic to all of them is slimmer again. Especially being so severely allergic that it cannot be treated. I actually wonder if it’s more likely to be something along the lines of a severe needle phobia maybe? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Bicycle Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 It sounds like it could be, if she talked her doctor and her mental health practitioner. I would be more sympathetic if she said that " I have a severe phobia, I have discussed all options with my medical team, and have decided I am unable to be vaccinated". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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