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Serapod wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:09 am Anyone heard how the male with the clots is doing?
Yep; I've heard he's stable. Which isn't as good as being better, but it's better than being worse. The treatment is a long, long course of blood thinners, and possibly surgery to resect his bowel if the abdominal clots cause a problem there.
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I don't think the risk is being underestimated.
There is a huge focus on every aspect of COVID vaccines.
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egg wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:59 pm The interesting topic raised by the AZ clotting issue is how often we willingly expose ourselves to an increased risk of clotting events. The contraceptive pill is the big one. The other is air travel with studies putting the risk of DVT as between 2 and 10%!!

I'll happily take the 1 in 2oo,ooo risk of a clotting event after the AZ vaccine if it allows me to take the much higher risk of hopping on an aeroplane and risking a DVT to reunite my family.

So then of course my next thought process is - where's the conspiracy? Is the risk really as low as reported - it seems an overblown response to a small risk, so what aren't we being told.
Like I said upthread. I am no doctor, but there's a difference between a DVT in your leg and a clot in the brain.
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Happy to report my Mum’s Dr directed mum to another facility to have her vaccinations so she has had her first AZ shot. Her Dr (although one able to give the covid vaccine) said that any vaccination spots that come up are immediately taken by the elderly (mum is mid 70s) and recommended another location for her shot.... she booked Monday and had her shot Tuesday.
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DaLittleEd wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:14 pm
Like I said upthread. I am no doctor, but there's a difference between a DVT in your leg and a clot in the brain.
My understanding is that a leg clot can become fatal if part of the clot breaks off and travels through the veins to the heart or lungs. There are quite a few stories of people who completed long haul flights to and from Australia and then collapsing after the flight. It is a specifically higher travel risk for Australians given the distance of travel.
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Iamferalz wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:39 pm
DaLittleEd wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:14 pm
Like I said upthread. I am no doctor, but there's a difference between a DVT in your leg and a clot in the brain.
My understanding is that a leg clot can become fatal if part of the clot breaks off and travels through the veins to the heart or lungs. There are quite a few stories of people who completed long haul flights to and from Australia and then collapsing after the flight. It is a specifically higher travel risk for Australians given the distance of travel.
Yes that's true (I had a blood clot). Probably higher risk with brain clots through.
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DaLittleEd wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:14 pm
egg wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:59 pm The interesting topic raised by the AZ clotting issue is how often we willingly expose ourselves to an increased risk of clotting events. The contraceptive pill is the big one. The other is air travel with studies putting the risk of DVT as between 2 and 10%!!

I'll happily take the 1 in 2oo,ooo risk of a clotting event after the AZ vaccine if it allows me to take the much higher risk of hopping on an aeroplane and risking a DVT to reunite my family.

So then of course my next thought process is - where's the conspiracy? Is the risk really as low as reported - it seems an overblown response to a small risk, so what aren't we being told.
Like I said upthread. I am no doctor, but there's a difference between a DVT in your leg and a clot in the brain.
My point is more that this is a risk we take routinely with little consideration of the potential consequences.
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Are there this amount or more of severe reactions to the other vaccines or do they just not report them?
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DVT should not be underplayed. Untreated or delayed treatment there is a 1 in 10 chance of developing a pulmonary embolus which has a 30% death rate.
The clotting that comes with AZ is a completely different kettle of fish but I believe the comparisons are being made because risk factors for DVT can be significantly reduced with lifestyle changes which aren't always thought to be worth making.
Thrombosis with thrombocytopaenia is potentially fatal, we should not underplay that either, it is terrible and nobody wants to get it but it still remains a rare occurrence and this is what people need to hear before they make a decision to not be vaccinated.

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I just had my second dose of Pfizer in WA and I feel rough as guts! I was expecting it though but I feel like I’m recovering from the flu, headache body aches and light headed. It wouldn’t change my mind about having it but it’s unpleasant 😕
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At this point it's a no for me. multiple factors are taken into consideration & it's not a rash decision or antivax stance! I cannot have any other vaccinations - medically! I am also at very high risk of clots/strokes, I could never take the pill, when I fly I do all I can to minimise the risk! I am always that 1 in whatever hundred thousand in every operation I've had & have multiple rare syndromes that are closely associated with clots/dvt's/embolisms etc.

I am very grateful to be living in a country where Covid is not an immediate risk & can sit back, watch & wait & hopefully by the time I have no option we'll have better knowledge available to us & I'll feel safer than the roll of dice it feels like atm. The other adult members of my family will all be having theirs when available to them.
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@humblebumble do you take blood thinner before flying? My Dr prescribes Clexane for me.
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I'm feeling a bit despondent about it all at this stage.

I'd love to be able to have one but I'm bottom of the list and the roll out is so slow.

And overseas relatives are giving us crap about human rights abuses because it's stopping them visiting us and we're being selfish just thinking about ourselves because we're ok. And I'm sat here thinking "eff you. Your gov basically let people die, and by the way yes our feds are shit but the work the state governments have done have saved lives and and anyway should these vaccine doses we'll need be better here so you can visit, or somewhere where actual people, as in other people's loved ones are dying?"

Sorry, that should possibly go under venting 😂
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DaLittleEd wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:16 pm @humblebumble do you take blood thinner before flying? My Dr prescribes Clexane for me.
I cant take anything that thins my blood either! life is really tricky :( My daughter is the same & it's so much scarier when it's your child, not treating can be life threatening but so can treating. :o :roll: :thumbdown:
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PocketMacrophobia wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:30 pm I'm feeling a bit despondent about it all at this stage.

I'd love to be able to have one but I'm bottom of the list and the roll out is so slow.

And overseas relatives are giving us crap about human rights abuses because it's stopping them visiting us and we're being selfish just thinking about ourselves because we're ok. And I'm sat here thinking "eff you. Your gov basically let people die, and by the way yes our feds are shit but the work the state governments have done have saved lives and and anyway should these vaccine doses we'll need be better here so you can visit, or somewhere where actual people, as in other people's loved ones are dying?"

Sorry, that should possibly go under venting 😂
Thats horrible :( I know I'd rather be selfish than dead!
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My answer to the relatives is " I don't have a personal phone line to our PM so there's little I can do. It's not election time".
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I was notified that I was eligible but because of my age I shouldn't have the AZ one. But there aren't any Pfizer clinics available and to try again later.
I was all set to get it done!
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I'm getting my second Pfizer this week. I am excited and happy and also hoping I get no more than a sore arm again as a symptom.
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Give Smirko a call Justin and tell him how to govern.

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humblebumble wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:57 am
PocketMacrophobia wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:30 pm I'm feeling a bit despondent about it all at this stage.

I'd love to be able to have one but I'm bottom of the list and the roll out is so slow.

And overseas relatives are giving us crap about human rights abuses because it's stopping them visiting us and we're being selfish just thinking about ourselves because we're ok. And I'm sat here thinking "eff you. Your gov basically let people die, and by the way yes our feds are shit but the work the state governments have done have saved lives and and anyway should these vaccine doses we'll need be better here so you can visit, or somewhere where actual people, as in other people's loved ones are dying?"

Sorry, that should possibly go under venting 😂
Thats horrible :( I know I'd rather be selfish than dead!
The Murdoch media influence is strong for them.

They're really struggling with everything where they are, I think they've loaded as much blame on their gov as they can and now need to direct the overflow.

It just gets hard to support them while listening to it.
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Kiwi Bicycle wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:53 am My answer to the relatives is " I don't have a personal phone line to our PM so there's little I can do. It's not election time".
Yep, we just agree that the feds are shit and try to point out the offers from the states to set up more quarantine facilities. I'm not sure they're listening though 🙄
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purplekitty wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:02 pm Give Smirko a call Justin and tell him how to govern.

Canada is a COVID disaster and into it's third wave. ICU are full to the brim and their health system is failing,

I am no Morrison fan but Justin is obviously not doing everything right either,
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Some of that is down to the Provinces.
Doug Ford in Ontario comes under a lot of criticism from HCWs.
ICU beds are predicted to run out in the near future.

I'm sure Trudeau is not perfect but the millions of Pfizer vaccines he is having delivered in the next few months, starting in May, is way more than we have any hope of seeing before next year.
And that deal was made in the last month.

We only have intentions of getting them, not even a sealed deal from what I can gather.
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Yep, Canada's response has been fuckup after fuckup after fuckup. Half-measures, half-done. My husband is terrified for his friends and family, but is coping because my PILs are staying home as they should, and my covid-denying BIL seems to have changed his tune (he has a baby he is keen to protect).

They were allowing truck drivers to come over the border from the US with insufficient safeguards in place. They were allowing people to fly from province to province at will. Their lockdowns are half-arsed except for the occasional strict one which gets lifted when there are still hundreds of new cases per day in each province. There are so many things Trudeau and the provincial governments could have done, but just... didn't. It's like one of those dreams where you're in a hurry, but someone is moving really really slowly. And now that the new variants are fucking things up even more, it's too late. They're stuck with this bastard virus now. :(

Back to vaccines: That is one area in which Canada is doing better than we are, for sure. My PILs have had their first Moderna shot, which is pretty cool. There's so little talk of Moderna here, I had assumed it slipped out of contention, but it's totally still out there, saving people.
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purplekitty wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:58 pm Some of that is down to the Provinces.
Doug Ford in Ontario comes under a lot of criticism from HCWs.
ICU beds are predicted to run out in the near future.

I'm sure Trudeau is not perfect but the millions of Pfizer vaccines he is having delivered in the next few months, starting in May, is way more than we have any hope of seeing before next year.
And that deal was made in the last month.

We only have intentions of getting them, not even a sealed deal from what I can gather.
But why should we, a country with no community transmission, get vaccines ahead of countries in desperate need of them, where hundreds or thousands of people are dying every day?
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