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purplekitty wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:58 pm Some of that is down to the Provinces.
Doug Ford in Ontario comes under a lot of criticism from HCWs.
ICU beds are predicted to run out in the near future.

I'm sure Trudeau is not perfect but the millions of Pfizer vaccines he is having delivered in the next few months, starting in May, is way more than we have any hope of seeing before next year.
And that deal was made in the last month.

We only have intentions of getting them, not even a sealed deal from what I can gather.
Same as different states here are handling their own responsibilities differently but it is Morrison in charge and who should hold ultimate responsibility.

I do not think that Australia is on the same playing field when it comes to the shipment of vaccines and whilst I hate saying so I do not think that even of we had a completely different federal government would we have has actual access to them any sooner.
Our location and our perceived and obvious success with COVID is going to see vaccines go elsewhere first.
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I tend to agree. I don't think we would be much further along in the vaccination program. I do think there would have been better communication about timelines. And possibly better management around getting the front line workers and aged care residents and workers covered first.

A different government wouldn't change what's happening with the AZ, but we may have had agreements with more companies.

I also wonder if the Queensland vaccine would have continued development.
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I have been wondering what would have happened if each state had been able to order and distribute their own but then when it is a national responsibility to pay for them all it would not have worked.
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@purplekitty, my awesome Canadian cousin (in law, but I love him so much, I don't use the "in law" bit) posted this about Ontario's measures.



You are so right that this is also a provincial problem - I'm pissed at Trudeau, but far out, Doug Ford acts like he's stumbled into parliament while looking for the bathroom.

I just remembered, the above-mentioned awesome cousin had his vaccine back in December, I think. He works in aged care, and was pretty stressed because his husband is immunocompromised. But he seems a lot more settled now that he's had the shot.
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Gosh, what an embarrassment. I thought he was going to do the full Caeser with 'Friends, Romans and countrymen'.
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Mooguru wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:42 pm

But why should we, a country with no community transmission, get vaccines ahead of countries in desperate need of them, where hundreds or thousands of people are dying every day?
That's where we are now.
A fait accompli.

We've had a year to get our plans and vaccine orders in place, we started out in a similar situation to many other countries at the beginning of 2020.

The Feds. didn't want to outlay the money for multiple vaccines to mitigate risk of what made it to market, just like they had only a virtual stock of PPE rather than actual stock.

It's no surprise that outsourcing pharmaceutical manufacturing overseas and underfunding research results in us being dependent on other countries in a number of areas.

There has been failure after failure, it just surprises me that they evade any responsibility.
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So the AZ vaccine is back on the table with hubs set up in Victoria.

I'm guessing the risks are still.the same, so anyone taking is now accepting the new risk?

Is that the theory?
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Hey guys, Australia and NZ are in pretty much the same place vaccine wise, with NZ even more exposed by having no manufacturing ability. NZ played vaccine roulette ( with only AZ and Pfizer options) ànd somehow won by getting enough Pfizer. Roll out has been piecemeal, being run by the dufferent areas DHBs and extra doses been " raffled off" by FB by staff when it seems they were going to be wasted, when they actually were supposed to be offered to GP staff.
And don't even ask about the Cook Islands. They only have a tiny population and even they are shoving to be the front of the queue for NZs doses so they can open up.
Everyone is stuffing up left, right and centre.
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TinCat wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:35 pm So the AZ vaccine is back on the table with hubs set up in Victoria.

I'm guessing the risks are still.the same, so anyone taking is now accepting the new risk?

Is that the theory?
I think there is a consent form for under 50s if they're happy to take the risk.

I'm getting my first Pfizer jab tomorrow, only found out today that I was eligible through work.
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As an early 50s person (well perhaps mid) how can i be sure the AZ is OK when most other countries are saying over 60?
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Lesley225 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am As an early 50s person (well perhaps mid) how can i be sure the AZ is OK when most other countries are saying over 60?
Because the actual risk of clotting is still 0.000004.

I am risk averse but I am also pro vaccination and I understand with any medication and vaccine I put into my body there is risk. I took the pill from age 16 and for the next 20 years and I was overweight and had borderline BP issues yet I took it knowingly because unwanted pregnancy was my dread. Death by COVID and watching my country and people implode makes vaccination an absolute no brainer for me if I do not want to live the rest of my life locked in my home without seeing my loved ones.
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purplekitty wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:20 am
Mooguru wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:42 pm

But why should we, a country with no community transmission, get vaccines ahead of countries in desperate need of them, where hundreds or thousands of people are dying every day?
That's where we are now.
A fait accompli.

We've had a year to get our plans and vaccine orders in place, we started out in a similar situation to many other countries at the beginning of 2020.

The Feds. didn't want to outlay the money for multiple vaccines to mitigate risk of what made it to market, just like they had only a virtual stock of PPE rather than actual stock.

It's no surprise that outsourcing pharmaceutical manufacturing overseas and underfunding research results in us being dependent on other countries in a number of areas.

There has been failure after failure, it just surprises me that they evade any responsibility.
I agree with both of you. Australia SHOULD have been in a position whereby we could both provide for ourselves AND be the provider for nearby countries with poorer health systems.

I’m actually surprised to see the number of countries producing the various vaccines.
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DirtyStreetPie wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:35 am @purplekitty, my awesome Canadian cousin (in law, but I love him so much, I don't use the "in law" bit) posted this about Ontario's measures.



You are so right that this is also a provincial problem - I'm pissed at Trudeau, but far out, Doug Ford acts like he's stumbled into parliament while looking for the bathroom.

I just remembered, the above-mentioned awesome cousin had his vaccine back in December, I think. He works in aged care, and was pretty stressed because his husband is immunocompromised. But he seems a lot more settled now that he's had the shot.
I feel much the same way about Canada as I do Sweden. They don’t have the ‘my rights’ issues to the same extent as the USA, and could easily have prevented much of the cross border transmission.

I must admit until Covid I never thought it would be possible to close our state borders to each other (not the desire to, the administration of it) and Canada could have done the same. There was much talk about how easy it was to get to the Canadian Rockies many months ago, just by claiming to be driving to Alaska.

Their early deaths were not dissimilar from Victoria’s: it got into aged care via the low income households who were living in close proximity to each other, in Quebec.
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I was just reading an article about a gym owner in Quebec who refused to close down in lockdown and infected nearly 600 people killing a 30 year old.
Despite all the noise that was made about our lockdowns we really have been lucky that even when it was begrudgingly most people complied to our lockdowns, although knowing the penalties may have helped that along, I am so glad of our strictness now.
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PocketMacrophobia wrote: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:15 am
I also wonder if the Queensland vaccine would have continued development.
I believe they are still working on - ABC interview the other day.
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Queensland vaccine would have had 99% efficacy.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 3e5ab45f63
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Lesley225 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am As an early 50s person (well perhaps mid) how can i be sure the AZ is OK when most other countries are saying over 60?
It depends on a lot of things specific to each country, e.g how many alternative vaccines they have on hand, how many Covid cases and the risk tolerance and behavioural profile of each country. Some countries are not as obedient and compliant with lockdowns as Australia for example.

The UK’s threshold is 30 and Canada has just dropped their age threshold from 55 to 40 because Covid is racing out of control there with reports of people aged 20 to 50 filling up the ICUs. They have had a slow vaccine rollout too.
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Lesley225 wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 am As an early 50s person (well perhaps mid) how can i be sure the AZ is OK when most other countries are saying over 60?
Speak to your GP.

I have heard of a few people being told - yeah nah No AZ for you.

If they know you well/your medical history. They will advise you.
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Victoria to start producing mRNA class vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna type) domestically. Yay, thanks Victoria, this is good for the Pacific region.

Hope Federal and other States support this move financially..
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Iamferalz wrote: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:55 am Victoria to start producing mRNA class vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna type) domestically. Yay, thanks Victoria, this is good for the Pacific region.

Hope Federal and other States support this move financially..
Oh really?! That is fantastic news! I think it was Swan saying a couple of weeks ago that we could and should pivot to producing mRNA vaccines. This could be a real game changer!
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Oh it looks like we won't see any mRNA vaccines produced here for at least a year. But they're working on vaccines that will fight the mutant strains, and they will be able to help with other diseases too.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-21/ ... /100083372
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A blood cot case in Qld today. And after a Pfizer jab too.
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Over 50s can get the jab now. Still waiting for them to announce the over 30s, lol.
If they take long enough I’ll make it into the over 40s category.
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The expanded list of medical conditions means I’m now eligible, as soon as the Pfizer becomes available. If you have a medical condition it’s worth rechecking your eligibility.

https://covid-vaccine.healthdirect.gov. ... ty?lang=en
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59 year old DH is booked in to get his first shot at 1:30 pm tomorrow.

I'm only 46, with no underlying health conditions, and not a frontline worker, so it might be the end of this year before I can get my first; but I'll be doing so as soon as I can.
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