Darryl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Do you think that pornography has a place in a healthy relationship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Cat Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) If both partners enjoy it, then why not?If one partner uses it because the other has a lower sex drive but is OK with their partner using it, then why not?If one partner is withdrawing into porn at the expense of their sex life, not OK.If one partner finds it offensive or otherwise problematic but the other partner insists on using it, not OK.I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see consensual use of porn as a problem.Whether the creation of that porn is a problem though, well that's a whole different discussion. Edited February 22, 2021 by Bad Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 I've added "It depends" to the options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Girl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 As long as it is healthy consumption and both parties are ok with it, why not? It becomes an issue if there is excessive consumption and or both parties are not ok with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sybil Vimes Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 No. Healthy relationships don't include supporting an industry that exploits and trafficks women and children and it isn't a different discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Girl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 No. Healthy relationships don't include supporting an industry that exploits and trafficks women and children and it isn't a different discussion. What about written porn or manga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landry Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Or ethical porn? It's not all filmed prostitution and abuse material.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaFreya Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Or ethical porn? It's not all filmed prostitution and abuse material.. I have been trying to say this on EB for years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sybil Vimes Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 How do you know it's ethical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonMyrtle Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 How do you know it's ethical? Most TV shows are soft porn these days, just watch those. I’m only up to episode 3 of Bridgerton, and it’s basically 1/10th porn. Don’t think I’ve watched a n TV show in years that didn’t have a sex scene in at least the first episode.Theres porn, then there’s porn, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaFreya Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Because we hear directly from those involved and some women do it by themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landry Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 What makes you assume that it isn't?The assumption that all sex workers are exploited is naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sybil Vimes Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Because we hear directly from those involved and some women do it by themselves So the performers say that it's ethical? And if they said it wasn't ethical, would they be employed again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaFreya Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Because we hear directly from those involved and some women do it by themselves So the performers say that it's ethical? And if they said it wasn't ethical, would they be employed again? Probably not because prudes like you tar them all with the same brush.Does it completely escape you that there are women who CHOOSE to work in the sex industry including in pornography? That there are people who wish to continue to work there and make it ethical and consensual and not exploitative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucrezia Borgia Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 What makes you assume that it isn't?The assumption that all sex workers are exploited is naive. as is the blind acceptance that they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaFreya Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 #NotAllSexWorkers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landry Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I think you've been misinformed along the way somewhere.. do yourself a favour and read up on modern, ethical pornography.You might even like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sybil Vimes Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Because we hear directly from those involved and some women do it by themselves So the performers say that it's ethical? And if they said it wasn't ethical, would they be employed again?Probably not because prudes like you tar them all with the same brush. Your inability to answer proves my point. Performers who come out and say that they were abused or raped while filming don't get to work again. There are financial imperatives for performers to say that pornography was ethical, even if it isn't. This is an industry where you can go online right now to the largest porn sites and find women and children being raped. You can call me a prude if it makes you feel better about supporting an industry that targets women in poverty and aids in the abuse of women and children. Obviously your right to wank off is so much more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucrezia Borgia Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 no, i don’t think i’ve been misinformed. how do you commodify consent? The whole point of the sex industry is that it offers men the chance to buy sexual access to women who do not want to have sex with them – otherwise they wouldn’t have to pay. it’s a fundamental problem with the sex trade and maybe it’s an exercise in PR to rebrand it as “ethical” - but how would you know? I can accept the ethics of the women involved - but the pimps and the john’s? (without whom the sex industry could not survive). Consent, meaningful consent - is front and centre in the news at the moment with reports of widespread sexual abuse suffered by young teenage girls at the hands of sydney private school boys and of course the Brittany Higgins case - plus three other women (that we know of). Scratch the surface of any rapist arrested over recent years - porn is invariably there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sybil Vimes Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Yeah, I guarantee the senior advisor who's been accused of raping four women (so far) has a serious porn habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucrezia Borgia Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 i would bet my house on it LSV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Girl Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I personally know quite a few sex workers and not one feels exploited. They feel empowered and take pride in their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Jetson Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Look, if there was some way to 100% take out the factors of rampant, patriarchal late stage capitalism - are there good-enough safety nets so people have other options? A secure income that covers all basics so that nobody does porn or escort work because they feel they have to? - as well as all the trafficking that goes on in that industry, and don't bother trying to tell me it's not raging through it - then yeah, maybe. If everyone was 100% happy to be there, well paid, not subject to stigma and easily able to move in and out of the industry at will if more palatable options opened up, sure.But as it stands? Ethical porn is like trying to find ethical foie gras. Can't be guaranteed done, so I won't go near it. And I *miss* foie gras. I loved it till I learned how they make it.I also loathe being told that concerns about porn and sex work = prudery. Nice name-calling and shaming for bringing ethical issues to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbulent Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Well according to this thread I’m a prude even though I’ve been a sex worker for years lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Jetson Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Well according to this thread I’m a prude even though I’ve been a sex worker for years lol It's like that Old EB thread on whether it's okay to bring a bottle of wine to a school picnic... we had lifelong teetotallers being told they were closet alcoholics! EB's gonna EB, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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